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CLACKAMAS, OR - DECEMBER 11:  Emergency vehicles gather outside the Clackamas Town Center mall after a shooting on December 11, 2012 in Clackamas, Oregon. According to reports, two victims and the gunman are dead after emergency dispatchers received reports that a shooting had occurred and a man was seen with an assault rifle near the mall's food court around 3:29 p.m. (Photo by Craig Mitchelldyer/Getty Images)

CLACKAMAS, OR – DECEMBER 11: Emergency vehicles gather outside the Clackamas Town Center mall after a shooting on December 11, 2012 in Clackamas, Oregon. According to reports, two victims and the gunman are dead after emergency dispatchers received reports that a shooting had occurred and a man was seen with an assault rifle near the mall’s food court around 3:29 p.m. (Photo by Craig Mitchelldyer/Getty Images)

Shopping malls are crowded this time of year, which made Tuesday’s shooting at a mall in Portland, Ore., that much more scary and chaotic.

ABC News’ Alex Stone reports from the mall:


This mall is one of Portland’s biggest and busiest. It was full of holiday shoppers. Children were lined up to see Santa. He hit the ground in his red suit, crawling away while families scattered.

Jocelyn Lay was in Macy’s. She credits a store employee with guiding her to safety and possibly saving her life.

“He said, ‘Now you go out that exit’,” Lay said. “I’m gonna go back upstairs and help other people.”

For two hours, the stock rooms of stores at this mall became shelters. Employees and shoppers waited for SWAT teams to arrive to tell them they were safe.

Former special agent and terrorism expert Brad Garrett joins us now with the latest on the shooter.


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